MH17 part 3: air controller in Kiev saw 2 Ukrainian jet fighters rising - for 3 minutes

http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/

FLASH UPDATE: Industry Outlet Confirms Carlos (@spainbuca) as ATC at Borispol in Kiev

(See the Text of Carlos / @spainbuca Tweets Below the Article)

Original: EturboNews (ETN Global Travel Industry News) – July 17, 2014

ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.>

<There was an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian MH17 flight which took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine warzone.

The Spanish air controller confirms a conflict between the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of the Interior intimating that the order concerning the downing of the aircraft came from the Ministry of the Interior, which is dominated by Svoboda and Right Sector.

He also said that the MH17 flight was escorted by Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before it was downed. It is worth noting that the presence of the Ukraine fighter jets reported by the Spanish air traffic controller was confirmed by eyewitness reports in the Donetsk region:

(M.Ch. Global Research Editor)>

Well, everybody knows that the upheaval against the Ukrainian government was performed by criminal EU and CIA with Blackwater forces bringing Svoboda party to power. And now what happens next?

[Air controller was threatened and his twitter account is closed]

<UPDATE:

We are informed that the twitter account of the Spanish air controller has been closed down. Following his statements, he and is family have been threatened by the Kiev regime, including death threats.

He has been deported from Ukraine. He is a man of courage and determination committed to the truth.

See his TV interview on RT Spanish

http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/127516-amenazar-controlador-espanol-ucrania-crisis

Forward this article far and wide.>

And here is the tweet again, from the same article presented in a table now with more colors:
(http://www.globalresearch.ca/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/5391888)

from: Eturbonews online; July 17, 2014;
http://www.eturbonews.com/48079/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-kiev-military-shot-down-

<Jul 17, 2014

ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.

Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.

According to other rumors, the black box for this crashed Malaysian Airlines flight was taken by Donetsk separatists. A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow.

The First Deputy Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk, Andrew Purgin, stated that the flight recorders of the crashed aircraft will be transferred to Moscow for examination.

Sources say the Rebel group leadership hopes this would confirm the Ukrainian military actually shot down this aircraft. This was reported by the news agency Interfax-Ukraine.

ETN statement: The information in this article is not independently confirmed and based on the statement of one airline controller and other tweets received.>

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According to the latest information all radar information is a fake - the crash site is a fake and the flight MH17 was hijacked.

18.7.2014: <Spanischer Fluglotse: Zwei ukrainische Kampfjets waren drei Minuten vor Malaysia-Boeing im Himmel>

July 18, 2014: <Spanish air controller: Two Ukrainian jet fighters were near the Malayan Boeing in the sky during three minutes>

from / aus: Stimme Russlands (Voice of Russia); July 18, 2014; translation by Michael Palomino;
http://german.ruvr.ru/news/2014_07_18/Spanischer-Fluglotse-Zwei-ukrainische-Militarflugzeuge-waren-neben-der-Boeing-vor-deren-Schwund-8124/

<STIMME RUSSLANDS Zwei ukrainische Militärflugzeuge sind neben der Malaysia-Boeing wenige Minuten vor deren Absturz entdeckt. Das schrieb ein spanischer Fluglotse, der die Maschine steuerte, im Twitter.

„Die Militärflugzeuge flogen neben der Boeing 777 drei Minuten vor deren Verschwindung, nur drei Minuten“, twittert der Fluglotse.

„Als das Flugzeug von den Radaren verschwand, berichteten uns die Kiewer Behörden, dass es verunglückt [abgeschossen] war. Wie konnten sie es so schnell erfahren?“, bemerkt er weiter.>

<Voice of Russia - There is detected that there were two Ukrainian military aircrafts next to the Malayan Boeing just a few minutes before it crashed. This wrote a Spanis air controller who was steering the engine [in the tower passing Ukraine] in his Tweet.

"The military aircrafts were three minutes near the Boeing 777 during 3 minutes before the engine disappeared", the air controller was tweeting.

"When the air plane was vanishing from the radar the Kiev authorities were reporting that it was an accident [shot down]. How can they get this news so fast?" he remarked.>

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According to the latest information all radar information is a fake - the crash site is a fake and the flight MH17 was hijacked.

18.7.2014: Angaben des spanischen Fluglotsen in Kiew auf seinem Twitter-Konto "Spainbuca": 2 Kampfjäger			July 18, 2014: Indications of the Spanish air controller in Kiev on his Twitter account "Spainbuca": two jet fighters
from: Propaganda Show online (German: Propagandaschau online): German TV ARD: Lies and faked information about MH17 (original in German: ARD: Lügen und Desinformation über MH17); July 18, 2014; translation by Michael Palomino; http://propagandaschau.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/ard-lugen-und-desinformation-uber-mh17/ Original words of air controller "Carlos" in Kiev from July 17, 2014 about the shot down Boeing777 of flight MH17 http://propagandaschau.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/ard-lugen-und-desinformation-uber-mh17/ https://propagandaschau.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/spainbucapng.png
<An erster Stelle sei hier der Tweet eines spanischen Fluglotsen genannt, der in der Nähe von Kiew arbeitet und kurz nach dem Abschuss meldete, dass ukrainische Kampfflugzeuge die MH17 kurz vor dem Abschuss begleitet hätten. “El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares” “The plane B 777 flew escorted by two fighter ukraine until minutes before disappearing from the radar” Dessen Twitter-Account (spainbuca) ist mittlerweile tatsächlich gelöscht, aber die Tweets finden sich noch als Screenshots oder auf archive.org.>			Translation: <First the tweet of a Spanish air controller has to be shown here. He was working near Kiev and was reporting a short time after the shot down that Ukrainian jet fighters had ackompanied flight MH17 before being shot down. “The plane B 777 flew escorted by two fighter ukraine until minutes before disappearing from the radar” In the meantime the Twitter accouint (spainbuca) is deleted in fact, but the tweets can be seen as screen shots or on archive.org.>
Originale Worte des Fluglotsen "Carlos" in Kiew am 17.7.2014 über die abgeschossene Boeing777 von Flug MH17 http://propagandaschau.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/ard-lugen-und-desinformation-uber-mh17/ https://propagandaschau.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/spainbucapng2.png

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Spanish			English
15:17 – July 17, 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil			military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile
15:23 – July 17, 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado			Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down
15:26 – July 17, 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes			The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas
15:34 – July 17, 2014 Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no			Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t
15:36 – July 17, 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine			Military high command did not give the order to fire the missile, [but] someone screw it in the name of Ukraine
15:38 – July 17, 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior			For those who do not know, let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister
15:38 – July 17, 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, .			The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time.
16:06 – July 17, 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,			Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,
16:07 – July 17, 2014 Mandos militares que si lo sabían y otros mandos que no,			military commanders that knew it and others didn´t ,
16:08 – July 17, 2014 290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero			290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money
16:09 – July 17, 2014 La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos			The way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made us think that they were [the culprits]
16:10 – July 17, 2014 La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas			The face of the soldiers [members of high military forces] who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts
16:12 – July 17, 2014 Es tal la decadencia que los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión			Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their version
16:13 – July 17, 2014 Nuestra respuesta, fue, estos radares no recogen el lanzamiento de misiles, los militares [puede ser] si, ya no quedaban dudas			Our response was, these radars do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones [perhaps] does, there were no doubts

Tweet of air controller Carlos in the air port tower in Kiew: CHRONOLOGY OF @spainbuca’s TWITTER FEED
<10:21 – July 17, 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos			“Kiev Authorities, trying to make looks like an attack by pro-Russian”
10:24 – July 17, 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros			“warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers”
10:25 – July 17, 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba			“Warning! Kiev have what they wanted”
10:25 – July 17, 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev			“[Military] has taken control of ATC in Kiev”
10:27 – July 17, 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado			“The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed”
10:30 – July 17, 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente			“Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident”
10:31 – July 17, 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT			“Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT”
10:35 – July 17, 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de Kiev,			“An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport”
10:35 – July 17, 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro			“they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment”
10:38 – July 17, 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev			“Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev”
11:12 – July 17, 2014 Nosotros tenemos la confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora			“We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now”
11:13 – July 17, 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información			“What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information”
11:15 – July 17, 2014 Cuando sea posible sigo escribiendo			“When possible I´ll keep writing”
11:48 – July 17, 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,			The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar,
11:54 – July 17, 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza			“If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter”
12:00 – July 17, 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?			“Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?”
12:00 – July 17, 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí			“7:00 minutes after [plane dissapeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ”
12:01 – July 17, 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también			“all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also”
13:15 – July 17, 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos			“Here the military commanders manage and support it could be military following other orders , but no, the pro-Russian”
13:29 – July 17, 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, .			“Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.”
13:31 – July 17, 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden			“Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from”
13:36 – July 17, 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de Timoshenko			“Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by Ttimoshenko [following Timishenko orders]”
13:38 – July 17, 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos			“The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes”
13:43 – July 17, 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo			“Airspace closed”
13:45 – July 17, 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos			“Airspace is closed, more downings feared”
After 1 1/2 hours is written a "report" now claiming that a rocket had shot down the Boeing777 - and it would not be known who had given the order for launching the rocket:
15:17 – July 17, 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil			“military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile”
15:23 – July 17, 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado			“Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down”
15:26 – July 17, 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes			“The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas”
15:34 – July 17, 2014Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no			“Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t”
15:36 – July 17, 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine			“military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine”
15:38 – July 17, 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior			“For those who do not know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister”
15:38 – July 17, 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, .			“The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .”
16:06 – July 17, 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,			“Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,”
16:07 – July 17, 2014 Mandos militares que si lo sabían y otros mandos que no,			“military commanders that knew it and others didn´t ,”
16:08 – July 17, 2014 290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero			“290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money”
16:09 – July 17, 2014 La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos			“Thw way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made us think that they [made it]”
16:10 – July 17, 2014 La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas			“The face of the soldiers who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts”
16:12 – July 17, 2014 Es tal la decadencia que los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión			“Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their version”
16:13 – July 17, 2014 Nuestra respuesta, fue, estos radares no recogen el lanzamiento de misiles, los militares si, ya no quedaban dudas			“Our response was, these radars do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones [perhaps] does, there were no doubts”

Air controller Carlos in Kiev - the original tweet Translated from Spanish by Luis Lopez *Source: Tweets by Spanish Air Controller - @spainbuca*
Spanish (original)			English (translation)
10:21 – July 17, 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos			“Kiev Authorities, trying to make it look like an attack by pro-Russians”
10:24 – July 17, 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros			“warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers”
10:25 – July 17, 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba			“Warning! Kiev have what they wanted”
10:25 – July 17, 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev			“[Miitary] has taken control of ATC in Kiev”
10:27 – July 17, 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado			“The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed”
Fluglotse in Kiew 01 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/5391888)
10:30 – July 17, 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente			“Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident”
10:31 – July 17, 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT			“Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT”
10:35 – July 17, 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev,			“An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport”
10:35 – July 17, 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro			“they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment”
10:38 – July 17, 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev			“Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev”
11:12 – July 17, 2014 Nosotros tenemos la confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora			“We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now”
11:13 – July 17, 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información			“What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information”
11:15 – July 17, 2014 Cuando sea posible sigo escribiendo			“When possible I´ll keep writing”
11:48 – July 17, 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,			The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar,
11:54 – July 17, 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza			“If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter”
12:00 – July 17, 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?			“Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?”
12:00 – July 17, 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí			“7:00 minutes after [plane disappeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ”
12:01 – July 17, 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también			“all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also”
13:15 – July 17, 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos			“Here the military commanders are in control and admit that the military could be following other orders , but no, the pro-Russian”
13:29 – July 17, 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, .			“Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.”
13:31 – July 17, 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden			“Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from”
13:36 – July 17, 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko			“Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following timishenko orders]”
13:38 – July 17, 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos			“The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes”
13:43 – July 17, 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo			“Airspace closed”
13:45 – July 17, 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos			“Airspace is closed, more downings feared”
[Now there are 1 1/2 hours rest for manipulating a "report" with a rocket stating it's "unknown" who gave the order to launch the rocket...]
15:17 – July 17, 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil			“military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile”
15:23 – July 17, 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado			“Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down”
15:26 – July 17, 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes			“The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas”
15:34 – July 17, 2014Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no			“Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t”
15:36 – July 17, 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine			“military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine”
15:38 – July 17, 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior			“For those who do not know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister”
15:38 – July 17, 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, .			“The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .”
16:06 – July 17, 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,			“Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,”
16:07 – July 17, 2014 Mandos militares que si lo sabían y otros mandos que no,			“military commanders that knew it and others didn´t ,”
16:08 – July 17, 2014 290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero			“290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money”
16:09 – July 17, 2014 La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos			“The way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made us think that they [made it]”
16:10 – July 17, 2014 La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas			“The face of the soldiers who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts”
16:12 – July 17, 2014 Es tal la decadencia que los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión			“Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their version”
16:13 – July 17, 2014 Nuestra respuesta, fue, estos radares no recogen el lanzamiento de misiles, los militares si, ya no quedaban dudas			“Our response was, these radars do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones does, there were no doubts”

21.7.2014: Der Fluglotse berichtet: Die Kiewer Militär-Behörde informierte sofort über den Abschuss - das Militär weiss nicht, woher der Befehl für den Abschuss kam			July 21, 2014: Air controller reporting: Kiev military authority informed immediately after the shot - military does not know from where the order for the downing was coming from
aus: Quer denken.tv: <Flug MH17: Es stinkt meilenweit nach False Flag> - http://quer-denken.tv/index.php/681-flug-mh17-es-stinkt-meilenweit-nach-false-flag
<Gestern hat ein spanischer Fluglotse (Carlos, @spainbuca) – der schon lange Todesdrohungen erhält - auf dem Tower in Kiew live getwittert, dass das Militär (ggf. unter Leitung des Innenministeriums) hinter dem Abschuss (!) stecke. 12:00 – July 17, 2014 Flugzeug B 777 der Malaysia Airlines ist bloß verschwunden und Kiewer Militär-Behörde informiert uns über Abschuss, wie können die das wissen? 13:29 – July 17, 2014 Innenminister wusste von den Kampfjets in der Gegend, Verteidigungsminister nicht. 13:31 – July 17, 2014 Militär bestätigt, es war die Ukraine, aber weiß nicht von wo der Befehl kam. 16:06 – July 17, 2014 Militärkommandeure hier (ATC) auf dem Kontrollturm, bestätigen, dass die Rakete von der Armee der Ukraine ist.>			<Yesterday a Spanish air controller (Carlos, @spainbuca) - who gets threats of death since a long time already - did twitter live from the tower that the military (may be under the leadership of the Department of the Interior) was behind this downing (!). 12:00 am - July 17, 2014: air plane B777 of Malaysia Airlines is only disappeared and Kiev military authorities are informing us about it was shot down, how can they know this? 1:29 pm - July 17, 2014: Minister of Interior knew about the jet fighters in the region, the Minister of Defense did not. 1:31 pm - July 17, 2014: Military confirms that it was Ukraine, but they don't know from where the order came. 4:06 pm - July 17, 2014: Military commanders are here (ATC) on the tower confirming that the rocket is from the Ukrainian army.>

<09.52 Uhr: Im Netz tobt ein Propagandakrieg. Angeblich hat ein spanischer Fluglotse, der am Flughafen Borispol in der Ukraine gearbeitet haben soll, von zwei Kampfjets geschrieben, die die abgestürzte Boeing begleiteten. Der entsprechende Twitter-Account ist allerdings gelöscht. Das wiederum soll daran liegen, dass "@spainbuca" bedroht worden ist.>			Translation: 9:52 pm: <There is a propaganda war in the Internet. Allegedly a Spanish air controller working at Borispol Airport in Ukraine has reported that there were two jet fighters ackompaning the crashed Boeing. The corresponding Twitter account is deleted already. This is said to be because there were threats against "@spainbuca".>